What happened to the release???
+1 for any answer…
Real soon now. Pending a Bundler release candidate.
jeremy
Probably too busy racing cars or posing for Men’s Book 
Ken F. wrote:
What happened to the release???
And not a blog post since 8 June. Not impressed. Hey, core team: we
understand that this is an open-source effort, but keep us updated when
you miss your deadlines, 'K?
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
Let them work, they also have lives. C’mon guys.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
Marcelo de Moraes S. wrote:
Let them work, they also have lives. C’mon guys.
Rails is not entirely a volunteer effort; my understanding is that at
least some of the core team (such as DHH) are paid by 37signals for the
specific purpose of working on Rails (am I wrong about this?). That
being the case, “they also have lives” is a lame excuse.
Besides, even if it were a volunteer effort, it’s a major project. When
a blog post comes out on 2 June promising a release in a couple of days,
and it’s now 24 July, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to get impatient
for a release or an explanation of the delay. Heck, if they asked for
help, they might get some, but this silence is bad if the core team want
to keep their credibility. Why should I trust a core team that can’t
get its act together to take 2 minutes to write a blog post explaining
why the release was delayed?
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
Rails is not entirely a volunteer effort; my understanding is that at
least some of the core team (such as DHH) are paid by 37signals for the
specific purpose of working on Rails (am I wrong about this?). That
being the case, “they also have lives” is a lame excuse.
Besides, even if it were a volunteer effort, it’s a major project. When
a blog post comes out on 2 June promising a release in a couple of days,
and it’s now 24 July, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to get impatient
for a release or an explanation of the delay. Heck, if they asked for
help, they might get some, but this silence is bad if the core team want
to keep their credibility. Why should I trust a core team that can’t
get its act together to take 2 minutes to write a blog post explaining
why the release was delayed?
Well, it might be just me – I’m excited about Rails 3, but I don’t
really need it right now. To be honest, I haven’t even been following
closely, didn’t even know about the release dates, so maybe my
judgement was too subjective. We probably won’t get any solid answers
from this mailing list, as I rarely see core-members around.
Best,
Marcelo.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected] wrote:
and it’s now 24 July, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to get impatient
for a release or an explanation of the delay. Heck, if they asked for
help, they might get some, but this silence is bad if the core team want
to keep their credibility. Why should I trust a core team that can’t
get its act together to take 2 minutes to write a blog post explaining
why the release was delayed?
This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx
But really. Real soon now.
jeremy
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
Marcelo de Moraes S. wrote:
Let them work, they also have lives. C’mon guys.
Rails is not entirely a volunteer effort; my understanding is that at
least some of the core team (such as DHH) are paid by 37signals for the
specific purpose of working on Rails (am I wrong about this?). That
being the case, “they also have lives” is a lame excuse.Besides, even if it were a volunteer effort, it’s a major project. When
a blog post comes out on 2 June promising a release in a couple of days,
and it’s now 24 July,
Oops, 8 June, not 2 June. Still bad.
Jeremy K. wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected] wrote:and it’s now 24 July, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to get impatient
for a release or an explanation of the delay. �Heck, if they asked for
help, they might get some, but this silence is bad if the core team want
to keep their credibility. �Why should I trust a core team that can’t
get its act together to take 2 minutes to write a blog post explaining
why the release was delayed?This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx
Oh, that was classy from a member of the core team. Not.
That attitude could get me (and probably a lot of others) to quit using
Rails. And I’m a Rabid Rails Fanboy [TM].
But really. Real soon now.
jeremy
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected] wrote:
This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx
Oh, that was classy from a member of the core team. Â Not.
That attitude could get me (and probably a lot of others) to quit using
Rails. Â And I’m a Rabid Rails Fanboy [TM].
An attitude of entitlement just rubs everyone wrong and doesn’t move
the project forward. Your annoyance is understandable but, alone, it
is not constructive.
Ultimately, your message is spot-on. It has been a while and many are
on pins and needles waiting for a non-beta gem to munch on. Real soon
now.
We, too, are pretty annoyed that the release candidate has dragged on,
but we want a candidate we’d feel comfortable deploying to production
with our own apps. Thankfully, we’ve had tons of people testing the
betas and bringing the polish up to release quality. That means a
short RC cycle.
Check out http://github.com/rails/rails/compare/v3.0.0.beta4...master
for a sense of the work that has been going into this. This release is
going to rock.
jeremy
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Jeremy K. [email protected]
wrote:
This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx
Lol. Thanks, I needed that!
–
Greg D.
destiney.com | gregdonald.com
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected] wrote:
Oh, that was classy from a member of the core team. Not.
Get over it. No one wants to hear your bitching and moaning.
That attitude could get me (and probably a lot of others) to quit using
Rails. And I’m a Rabid Rails Fanboy [TM].
So quit. No one is holding a gun to your head. I’m sure Rasmus and
the Zend team would love to have you.
–
Greg D.
destiney.com | gregdonald.com
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected]wrote:
Who cares how much it rocks if it never sees the light of day?
I totally sold a client on Rails 3 for a major project 2 months ago, on
the
assumption its release was as immanent as promised, and (Go Figure!) I
heard
the very same concern from that client about their project just
yesterday.
I was looking at Padrino recently and rather like it. It’s a young
framework, nowhere near as mature, but has an interesting architectural
“value prop”… and at least so far I haven’t gotten any STFUs from the
development team. 
- Bob
Jeremy K. wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser
[email protected] wrote:This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx
Oh, that was classy from a member of the core team. Â Not.
That attitude could get me (and probably a lot of others) to quit using
Rails. Â And I’m a Rabid Rails Fanboy [TM].An attitude of entitlement just rubs everyone wrong and doesn’t move
the project forward.
What attitude of entitlement? I don’t think I have one here. What I
do have, however, is an expectation that once a release estimate is
made, either a release or a revised estimate should follow, not 6 weeks
of silence. Is that unreasonable?
Your annoyance is understandable but, alone, it
is not constructive.
Neither is your silence. And your insults certainly aren’t. Your
latest message is, for which I thank you.
Ultimately, your message is spot-on. It has been a while and many are
on pins and needles waiting for a non-beta gem to munch on. Real soon
now.
I’m not so much impatient waiting for a release. Rather, I just think
better communication would be helpful. I’m already sold on Rails – I
really, really love it. However, if I were sitting on the fence right
now – say, switching from PHP or Java, and evaluating Ruby, Rails,
Sinatra, Python, Django, $RAILS_COMPETITOR… – I’d think twice about
adopting a technology that has this sort of support from its core team.
In other words, I don’t fundamentally care that much whether Rails 3 is
released in August or December. I just think that whatever is decided,
it should be better communicated.
We, too, are pretty annoyed that the release candidate has dragged on,
but we want a candidate we’d feel comfortable deploying to production
with our own apps.
I appreciate that. Again, the time is not the problem. The lack of
communication is.
Thankfully, we’ve had tons of people testing the
betas and bringing the polish up to release quality. That means a
short RC cycle.Check out http://github.com/rails/rails/compare/v3.0.0.beta4...master
for a sense of the work that has been going into this. This release is
going to rock.
Who cares how much it rocks if it never sees the light of day?
jeremy
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
Rails is Rails because of the attitude behind it. It is opinionated,
not only the software, but the process behind it, too. Do we complain
when Blizzard says a new title will be done ‘when it’s done’? I would
not promise anything to my clients based on unreleased software, by
the way! We already have a track of releases for Rails, so I’m sure it
won’t be a Rails Nuke’em forever. Just enjoy life and be more patient.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Fernando P. [email protected]
wrote:
An no, switching is not that easy, having to learn a new language,
Rails release dates are in no way keeping you from learning Ruby or
Rails 2. Stop whining.
a new
framework, idioms, porting code, etc takes a lot of time.
Like I told the last guy, no one is holding a gun to your head. Go
play with PHP or ASP if the Rails release dates don’t suite you. You
won’t be missed, I promise.
–
Greg D.
destiney.com | gregdonald.com
Ken F. wrote:
What happened to the release???
well i like it and it is working
that is the important part.
I will probably have a year at least on rail 3 before rails 4 so i am
happy jumping in at the leading edge
I just need a complex tutorial like a mini ebay
Real soon now.
This kind of answer is from whimps, not from successful business men. We
want an accurate date i.e: 25th of July 2010 12am? Sooner? Later?
At least keep us informed of what’s going on! RC is gonna be delayed?
Not a big deal if you warn us about such delays.
An no, switching is not that easy, having to learn a new language, a new
framework, idioms, porting code, etc takes a lot of time.
37signals publishes books and articles on how to be a better coder, be
successful, haha, you don’t seem to follow the principles you teach!