777 is no longer active. Best I can find is $22/year with DHS…
Does dreamhost do RoR well?
Woo! I got the dreamhost account. I might be in business after all!
Thanks guys! You’ve sure shown me another quality that will make RoR
great… The awesome community!
On 8/16/06, Brian H. [email protected] wrote:
Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and something
like TurboGears or Django? If that’s starting from scratch for you, then
perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that thought.
I personally would rather point out Catalyst
(http://www.catalystframework.org/) as an alternative if you are
unable to do RoR work. Even though it’s younger it’s still pretty
solid (apart from a rather boring install. CPAN is not my friend)
A good and fair comparison is available here.
http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/wiki/VersusRails
It doesn’t beat Rails. But there are a few things there I wish were in
Rails. Like a lot better testing and debugging system.
–
On 8/15/06, Gene H. [email protected] wrote:
Thank you, I will! There’s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out there… I
was looking at some last night but it was too overwhelming… Of the 50+ I
didn’t see any one that stood out. I will look into this. Thanks!
Gene,
Have you looked at CakePHP [1] ? It seems to be a very RoR-like
archetecture. If you are forced to use PHP, then at least when and if
you port to Rails, you won’t be far off the mark.
Ed
Thank you one and all… I went with Dreamhost. This year will cost me
$22.50!
Rob G. wrote:
If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at
www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com.
…cough…hack…
Textdrive? Textdrive!?! Surely you jest sir.
Planet Argon, sure. Textdrive? The most unstable Rails host out
there…I think not.
Personally, I didn’t want to bash either… I understand that PHP has
it’s
uses but it just so happens my current application is much better with
RoR.
I was surprised at the negative reaction I got towards PHP though!
It is kind of an awkard language… My biggest beef with it is the lack
of
convention in the function names. Gives it a patched together feel.
Underscores here, no underscores there, verb first, verb last, et al…
But I have used it and will probably use it again. Whatever works!
Joe R. wrote:
or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder).
Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its
great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie:
multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas
that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system,
but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord
becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot.
Gene H. wrote:
But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500
server errors.
Is your application finished? Maybe it will take you a year to get
finished? Develop it on your own computer using Rails. You may want to
consider taking Netfirms as a loss if you can’t get your money back.
Sometimes it’s worth it, if it means making the right choice.
PHP also has an edge if you’re trying to build a site that revolves
around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB,
hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages
into one application.I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it’s the right tool
for the job I’m going to use it.
Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/
–
Rick O.
http://weblog.techno-weenie.net
http://mephistoblog.com
On 8/16/06, Randy B. [email protected] wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder).
Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its
great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie:
multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas
that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system,
but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord
becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot.
PHP also has an edge if you’re trying to build a site that revolves
around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB,
hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages
into one application.
I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it’s the right tool
for the job I’m going to use it.
– James
It will take about six weeks to get fun… We’re rebuilding a site we did
already in PHP which is running on netfirms.
It might never be ‘done’.
We want it public ASAP. At it’s core it’s very simple.
On 8/16/06, Rick O. [email protected] wrote:
PHP also has an edge if you’re trying to build a site that revolves
around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB,
hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages
into one application.I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it’s the right tool
for the job I’m going to use it.Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/
Word, that’s crazy talk. phpBB is the most heinous abomination since
Dr. Phil. It’s almost a crime against humanity.
Opinion’s a good Rails forum too.
On 8/16/06, Rick O. [email protected] wrote:
PHP also has an edge if you’re trying to build a site that revolves
around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB,
hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages
into one application.I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it’s the right tool
for the job I’m going to use it.Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/
Did I say that they were?
PHP has a big head start on message board systems that users are
familiar with. It’s also not difficult to integrate these into a
larger site.
The link that you gave is appreciated but your attitude is not.
– James
Rick O. wrote:
Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/
Dude that’s awesome! LOL! Where was this project six months ago?!
Hehe… Thanks for sharing. 
Gene,
To answer your poll of who has experience with Dreamhost, I had started
learning RoR by installing everything local on my powerbook. Things
were going great. Through following the various online tutorials, I now
had a blog app, cooking recipe app, and the beginnings of a depot online
store. (woo hoo) However, after I found out about capistrano and
subversion, I decided to setup a domain on dreamhost and get the overall
sense of what it’s like to interact with RoR versioning in a remote
server environment. I am very satisfied so far with my choice to ‘go
live’ with nothing more than test apps in order to learn RoR.
Dreamhost makes it pretty easy to setup different sub-domains for each
of my test apps. ie.blog.mydomain.com, depot.mydomain.com etc… I
would not want to wait until after my uber-cool-next-big-thing app was
finished locally and THEN go down the ‘make it work on the server’ road
for the first time. I may create future apps locally and then setup the
hosting towards the end of development, but it somehow feels more
complete now to be able to learn RoR and upload to see it live, even if
it’s not a public app.
Kudos on finding the discount and hooking up with Dreamhost.
By the way, now that you know how to get the Dreamhost account for
little $$$, you can purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com
and point their DNS to your Dreamhost accounts. I think I spent a
total of $15 to get the domain name and hosting for a year. I don’t
know anyone who couldn’t aford that.
-=Randy
Randy B. wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder).
Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its
great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie:
multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas
that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system,
but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord
becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot.
Bleh, I don’t consider PHP a great tool, except maybe for some basic
stuff. But then I would prefer Ruby anyhow, marginal performance penalty
nonwithstanding.
Joe
Randy wrote:
“purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com”
I guess they recently upped that price to $6.50.
-=Randy
I’d like to recommend another great host (we have two sites hosted with
them - tmpanime.com and tmpforums.com) that also offers Rails support -
bluehost @ www.bluehost.com (they offer a one-size fits all plan which
is $6.95/month and I haven’t found anything that beats the value and
service). We’ve used them for the last 2 years and they’ve been
fabulous. I hope this isn’t sounding too much like an ad considering I’m
very new to this group, but it is an honest testimony. I’m completely
new to Rails (and thus to this group) and I was pleasantly surprised to
find that our current host offered Rails.
Best Regards,
Tamim
Dreamhost has a wiki that is quite useful. There is a Rails Quickstart
page
and a Capistrano page (don’t know if it’s members only or not):
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Rails
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Capistrano
The rails page I found quite useful but I haven’t done Capistrano so I
can’t
speak to the usefulness of that page.
Subversion was such a headache (not because of Dreamhost), I just want
to do
some coding for awhile before I config anything else!