On 9/21/06, Paul W. [email protected] wrote:
Regards,
destroy
all copies of the communication and any attachments.Berger, This is your boos.
You’re fired for prattling on on company time.
I’ll expect you out of the office by tomorrow !!!–
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Sounds harsh , till I read it came from boos.
S
From my point of view you might be ruining your chances to ever publish
a book with O’Reilly. You are asking people to give fairly confidential
information here. Maybe you should rethink you business practices.
To say something about O’Reilly. I had one book proposal rejected two
years ago. The process was very friendly, professional, fast and I was
enthusiastic that they really called me. We discussed the idea and I
could understand 100% that the proposal didn’t work for them.
ciao, Oliver
Berger, Daniel schrieb:
On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:13 PM, pat eyler wrote:
On 9/21/06, Paul L. [email protected] wrote:
Berger, Daniel wrote:
Please, don’t try to guess why I’m asking - it won’t work.
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
Is it just me or does this seem like a discussion between the
Man in Black and Vizzini?
“I do not think him is what you think him is.” 
James Edward G. II
On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Berger, Daniel wrote:
IANAL, but I highly doubt that the demands apply outside of Qwest, and
it’s very likely for defensive purposes only. I wish they wouldn’t
attach this disclaimer to email sent outside of our domain, but
it’s out
of my control. BTW, I’m not the only one suffering from this on the
list.I’m curious to hear comments from others on the subject.
This is commonly discussed online these days. I believe the general
consensus is:
Statements like these are very fragile to be hanging any kind of
legal defense on. There are just too many problems with them.
It’s good etiquette to use an address free of these added blurbs
when on mailing lists. The reason is pretty straightforward: it’s a
fair amount of off-topic bandwidth added to each and every post.
I’m not trying to tell you how to post, just giving you some points
of the discussion I have seen before.
James Edward G. II
On 9/21/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:
I’m not trying to tell you how to post, just giving you some points
of the discussion I have seen before.James Edward G. II
IMHO gmail is a great way to manage (and search) mailing lists…
James Edward G. II wrote:
I’m not trying to tell you how to post, just giving you some points
of the discussion I have seen before.
Ok James, I hear you, loud and clear.
I guess I may as well unsubscribe from the mailing list at work and
just post via google groups (as I’ve done here). I’ll have to hope for
the best with the gateway. 
Regards,
Dan
On 9/21/06, Paul L. [email protected] wrote:
that seems accurate.
Please, don’t try to guess why I’m asking - it won’t work.
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
And you are posting on matters having nothing remotely to do with your
employment, on company time. Your argument that there is no conflict of
interest is a double-edged sword – it means you shouldn’t be spending
company time on it.
But how do you know the policies of anyone’s company? Do you also work
for Qwest?
You are surely in the minority if you never post to mailing lists in
your work time!
Oh, are we arguing about silly things again?
On 9/21/06, Leslie V. [email protected] wrote:
No one said or implied that there was. I called it a personal grievance –
But how do you know the policies of anyone’s company? Do you also work
for Qwest?
You are surely in the minority if you never post to mailing lists in
your work time!Oh, are we arguing about silly things again?
I stopped working a long time ago. Took too much time away from
ruby-talk.
On 9/21/06, Daniel B. [email protected] wrote:
I guess I may as well unsubscribe from the mailing list at work and
just post via google groups (as I’ve done here). I’ll have to hope for
the best with the gateway.
Why not just subscribe with your gmail account? No need to go through
groups…
On 9/21/06, pat eyler [email protected] wrote:
On 9/21/06, Paul L. [email protected] wrote:
Berger, Daniel wrote:
Please, don’t try to guess why I’m asking - it won’t work.
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
Is it just me or does this seem like a discussion between the
Man in Black and Vizzini?
Oh, the sot has spoken! What happens to the OP is not truly your
concern. I will killfile him. And remember this, never forget
this: when I found you, you were so slobbering drunk, you couldn’t
code in Java!
—John
On 9/21/06, John G. [email protected] wrote:
Oh, the sot has spoken! What happens to the OP is not truly your
concern. I will killfile him. And remember this, never forget
this: when I found you, you were so slobbering drunk, you couldn’t
code in Java!
applause
Do you hear that sound, Your Geekness? Those are the shrieking trolls.
They always grow louder as they’re about to feed on a mailing list.
Leslie V. wrote:
/ …
But how do you know the policies of anyone’s company? Do you also work
for Qwest?
Yes, as a matter fact, I do. I pay them for my phone service. That comes
out
of my pocket. So the answer is yes.
You are surely in the minority if you never post to mailing lists in
your work time!
I am in the minority, and if I were not, I would certainly try to avoid
having a corporate disclaimer at the bottom of my posts.
Oh, are we arguing about silly things again?
Yep. Pretty silly.
On 9/21/06, Paul L. [email protected] wrote:
Right. And George Bush is not a religious leader. It is all in how people
see things, not what they actually are. You are not paying attention to
appearances.
The appearance that he has a job? Perhaps, sir, some people use work
email for work-related things, and, perhaps, our friend Daniel works
with Ruby, wherein participating on this list with is work email is
not a problem, and is in fact an asset to his job. Perhaps. Secondly,
what he does and does not do with his work email account is his
business, and not yours. Mr. Berger here is not the president of the
United States, and works for a private company. It is up to them to
tell him if he is doing something that is against their policy, not
yours.
And there was no criticism in my question.
No one said or implied that there was. I called it a personal grievance –
that seems accurate.
That, sir, is an assumption, and we know what that can (and usually
does) mean. It’s simply ridiculous to assume that he’s mad about a
book proposal that was rejected. He may, in fact, be planning
something else and this information is simply helpful to its
completion. Perhaps he’s writing a book and wants to gauge whether it
would be accepted or not. Perhaps he’s working on a service that will
‘publish’ via the web any books he finds interesting. Perhaps he’s
just curious of the number of rejected or accepted-but-cancelled
proposals. Either way, that is up to him, and not for you to
criticize.
Go back to criticizing George Bush, you’re doing a much better job at
that.
Like my dad’s mother used to say, “if you don’t have anything nice to
say, don’t say anything at all.” And in this case, maybe it’s
“constructive” and not “nice”.
Please, don’t try to guess why I’m asking - it won’t work.
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
Things are decidedly not as transparent as they seem. To me, you are
transparently a dick. But, I don’t know you, and that would be jumping
to conclusions, assuming, and misinterpreting your (presumably) good
intentions.
Like I said, thinks are decidedly not as they seem.
And you are posting on matters having nothing remotely to do with your
employment, on company time. Your argument that there is no conflict of
interest is a double-edged sword – it means you shouldn’t be spending
company time on it.
As I said above, perhaps he works with Ruby and he uses the support of
the community in his work? That is perfectly legit. I do it, and I’d
imagine a number of people do it. And even if this is not the case
(who knows?), it isn’t my concern, nor is it yours, even as a QWest
client. Your concern is whether you get your services as you pay for
them. If you don’t, then you complain to the person who can do
something about it.
Sorry for this being an off-topic response. I’ll bring it a bit more
on topic by simply saying that I have not made a proposal yet, but I
am thinking about it. If I do, I will let you know how it works out.
Cheers, and peace.
M.T.
Gene Venable wrote:
Am I permitted to read this message? What gives me an
To be fair, nothing in the disclaimer says anything like that. It says
that unauthorized use is prohibited. Reading the e-mail is an
authorized use; it was the intent.
Matt T. wrote:
business, and not yours.
Wrong. Under present circumstances my advice is timely and apt.
Mr. Berger here is not the president of the
United States, and works for a private company. It is up to them to
tell him if he is doing something that is against their policy, not
yours.
Better me than them.
/ …
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
Things are decidedly not as transparent as they seem. To me, you are
transparently a dick.
Ahh, testosterone speaks, and, as usual, strident and alone.
Hi –
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Paul L. wrote:
not a problem, and is in fact an asset to his job. Perhaps. Secondly,
Better me than them./ …
Too late for that. You are far too transparent.
Things are decidedly not as transparent as they seem. To me, you are
transparently a dick.Ahh, testosterone speaks, and, as usual, strident and alone.
Please, guys, take it somewhere else. Thanks.
David
Paul L. [email protected] writes:
that seems accurate.
Wow, Paul. Perhaps you could be bothered to read the lines prefixed
with '>>> ’ above. Particularly the last two lines. Especially the
9th word of the third line.
Paul L.
http://www.arachnoid.com
It’s pretty safe to say I have no dog in this race…or whatever it
is. It does seem to me that if somebody has a seekrit project, they
ought to keep it that way by doing their own research. (Why not just
ask O’Reilly? You’ve already broadcast what you’re doing anyway.)
But sheesh with the conspiracy stuff already. The most likely thing
is that Daniel will get a small number of responses. After careful
analysis he’ll realize that whatever he thought he was observing was
just a coincidence and everybody can be friends again.
That is unless acting like he’s the detective and ruby-talk is his
confidential informant causes this thread to be posted to /. as “All
Ruby F.s Claim ORA Kicked Their Dog”. Heaven help us then. Please
don’t anyone get a quote from Torvalds on this.
Steve
When I saw the title of this thread, I was expecting a funny list.
Adelle.
Adelle Hartley wrote:
When I saw the title of this thread, I was expecting a funny list.
Adelle.
Yeah, me too … in fact, I was all set to create a couple …
aw shucks … why not?
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