ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year.
comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are
similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn
from Gregory B., S9 announcements from Gerald B. plus some stuff
from John M., Mike M. and Matt T., all of whom already
announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe.
As I stated earlier, this kind of thing cannot work without being an
official list. No one is going to pay any attention to a list that is
not an offical ruby-lang.org list.
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
+1
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
We already have not one, but two such lists. What do you think a
third one would accomplish that two can’t?
Also, the success hasn’t exactly been overwhelming: the
rubynet-announce list has had exactly 20 mails in over 6 years(!), and
ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year.
[…]
other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects
35% of the announcements on [email protected] are
from Daniel J Berg, 25% from Ryan D., 10% each from Anders
Bengtsson and Michael Davis and 5% each from David Alan Black, Simon
Strandgaard, Jeremy Hylton and Francis H… So, around 70% of the
announcements are by the same people who already announce on
comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are
similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn
from Gregory B., S9 announcements from Gerald B. plus some stuff
from John M., Mike M. and Matt T., all of whom already
announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe.
I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn’t catch on.
Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier
just to set up filters on RubyTalk.
Let’s face it, we’re still not that big a community and until there’s
a couple of thousand regular posters all announcing their latest
projects there really isn’t going to be sufficient pressure to make a
separate announcements list worthwhile.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rick DeNatale[email protected]
wrote:
So in a year or so this has 26 threads and 28 posts.
I think that that’s ample evidence that a separate group isn’t a very
popular idea.
I’m all for keeping the announcements right here thank you. I already
have way too many info sources to aggregate already.
I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn’t catch on.
Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier
just to set up filters on RubyTalk.
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
+1
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry.
Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail
filter, my suggestion to you is “become less lazy”.
I have enough of them,
I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there
are other issues that have been discussed.
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I
feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Look, I’ll help you out:
Matches: to:([email protected])
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label “ruby-talk”
At least you could have got it right…
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I
feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go
through the same cycle of:
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what
happened
Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans.
I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it’s problematic.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Gregory
Brown[email protected] wrote:
are other issues that have been discussed.
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans.
I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it’s problematic.
I agree, maybe someone can point me to a good therapist.
Robert
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:12:16AM +0900, Gregory B. wrote:
are other issues that have been discussed.
I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I
feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty
very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it
deserves.
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go
through the same cycle of:
loop do
Trans: I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gregory
Brown[email protected] wrote:
Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans
could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go
through the same cycle of:
Trans: Â I want thing Foo
Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened
Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans.
I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern
clearly, and I think it’s problematic.
If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk, I
probably wouldn’t be here.
IMHO most discussions related to announcements begin like “Sounds
great but I cannot get it to work” or “Great stuff. How does this
compare to X?” IMHO such discussions could be allowed on a not so
strict announcement-focused list.
Anyway, as somebody has said it before, if such a list isn’t an
official ruby-lang list, only few people will read it, and people will
continue posting announcements to ruby-talk anyway.
We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts
these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts.
Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then:
ruby-talk itself would improve
I came to ruby-talk to make a release announcement, and stayed for the
conversation.
If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk,
I
probably wouldn’t be here.
Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans.
tell people, when I submit a patch or otherwise help with someone
bullies. You do not earnestly engage in conversation. In this very
I don’t need to go on any further. Other’s have said it all before.
The thing though, too though is, effectively attracting new and
interesting code from potentially great coders may be harder. The
[ANN] allows this opportunity in a friendly way.
Now, on Trans’ talk on pointing netiquette fingers is partly true, but
I’ve found this rather rare on this list.
I go through the mails visually, so I can see the timing of what’s
going on and when. I sometimes get to see a correlation between
questions/answers and announcements. I could write a script that does
the same. But, it really is easier to either set up a filter
(something that I will never do, because I might miss something really
fascinating) or just comb through on a regular basis. Honestly, it
takes me about 10 minutes to manually pick through them if I do it
every day, and another 30 if I want to follow the good conversations.
I guess it comes down to how granular you want it. I could suggest,
for example, the crazy proposition that people have different mail
addresses for different lists, but I’m sure I’d be laughed at
I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the
rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because
subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a
filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core
fellas?
